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	<title>Comments on: ¡Qué Pasa! &#8211; Blue Beetle Gets Props</title>
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		<title>By: Guy LeCharles Gonzalez</title>
		<link>http://www.popcultureshock.com/que-pasa-blue-beetle-gets-props/41631/comment-page-1/#comment-76238</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy LeCharles Gonzalez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 15:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...but I wouldn’t dismiss them quite so out of hand either.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh no, not at all!  I&#039;m just saying that an artist&#039;s influence usually isn&#039;t on the same level as the writer or editor, especially nowadays in corporate comics. Artists may control the number of Ebay-able two-page spreads, but very few of them have the clout to, say, get a John Stewart ongoing greenlit. And the ones who could are usually too busy working on the high-profile stuff to take a risk on something that&#039;s not a relatively guaranteed slam dunk in sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;but I wouldn’t dismiss them quite so out of hand either.</i></p>
<p>Oh no, not at all!  I&#8217;m just saying that an artist&#8217;s influence usually isn&#8217;t on the same level as the writer or editor, especially nowadays in corporate comics. Artists may control the number of Ebay-able two-page spreads, but very few of them have the clout to, say, get a John Stewart ongoing greenlit. And the ones who could are usually too busy working on the high-profile stuff to take a risk on something that&#8217;s not a relatively guaranteed slam dunk in sales.</p>
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		<title>By: SKleefeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>SKleefeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I can&#039;t argue about the differences in South Americans, Mexicans, et. al. but I think that there&#039;s something to be said for their collective inclusion in what&#039;s historically been an industry run by older white guys. I think -- and, admittedly, I could be way off-base here -- that anyone with any kind of latin lineage can look at the work of people ranging from the Herndandez brothers to Aragones to Cruz to... and say, &quot;Hey, if a guy from Brazil/Mexico/Argentina/wherever can make a living doing comics, why can&#039;t I?&quot; And, in that sense, I think it&#039;s reasonable to look at them as a large group. (Indeed, you&#039;ll note that my list of creators included folks exclusively who were BORN outside the U.S. That&#039;s mainly because I wasn&#039;t about to assume a creator may or may not have latin blood simply because they had a vaguely latin-sounding surname. But if someone was born in Mexico, it&#039;s pretty safe to say they&#039;ve got some latino in them.) 

As for the impact of writers vs. artists, I don&#039;t know that I&#039;d put quite so much emphasis on the writers. I think it depends a LOT on the specific writer and his/her relationship with the artist(s). Depending on what the writer is trying to do, s/he may give more or less freedom to the artist to develop story ideas or new characters or what-have-you. Tom DeFalco, I know, took a lot of input from Paul Ryan on their collaborations to the point where DeFalco frequently insisted Ryan get a co-writer credit. 

If I can drudge up some ancient history, too, you&#039;ll recall that the first black superhero was introduced because the ARTIST wanted to do a black superhero. The artist doesn&#039;t always have as much say in the plot direction and character design as Kirby did, naturally, but I wouldn&#039;t dismiss them quite so out of hand either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I can&#8217;t argue about the differences in South Americans, Mexicans, et. al. but I think that there&#8217;s something to be said for their collective inclusion in what&#8217;s historically been an industry run by older white guys. I think &#8212; and, admittedly, I could be way off-base here &#8212; that anyone with any kind of latin lineage can look at the work of people ranging from the Herndandez brothers to Aragones to Cruz to&#8230; and say, &#8220;Hey, if a guy from Brazil/Mexico/Argentina/wherever can make a living doing comics, why can&#8217;t I?&#8221; And, in that sense, I think it&#8217;s reasonable to look at them as a large group. (Indeed, you&#8217;ll note that my list of creators included folks exclusively who were BORN outside the U.S. That&#8217;s mainly because I wasn&#8217;t about to assume a creator may or may not have latin blood simply because they had a vaguely latin-sounding surname. But if someone was born in Mexico, it&#8217;s pretty safe to say they&#8217;ve got some latino in them.) </p>
<p>As for the impact of writers vs. artists, I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;d put quite so much emphasis on the writers. I think it depends a LOT on the specific writer and his/her relationship with the artist(s). Depending on what the writer is trying to do, s/he may give more or less freedom to the artist to develop story ideas or new characters or what-have-you. Tom DeFalco, I know, took a lot of input from Paul Ryan on their collaborations to the point where DeFalco frequently insisted Ryan get a co-writer credit. </p>
<p>If I can drudge up some ancient history, too, you&#8217;ll recall that the first black superhero was introduced because the ARTIST wanted to do a black superhero. The artist doesn&#8217;t always have as much say in the plot direction and character design as Kirby did, naturally, but I wouldn&#8217;t dismiss them quite so out of hand either.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy LeCharles Gonzalez</title>
		<link>http://www.popcultureshock.com/que-pasa-blue-beetle-gets-props/41631/comment-page-1/#comment-75986</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy LeCharles Gonzalez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s probably wrong to make this distinction -- Dick Hyacinth is probably wondering why he&#039;s cringing right at this moment -- but I feel like artists aren&#039;t quite as crucial to the diversifying of comics as writers and editors are. Complementary, yes, but not directly influential.

Writers generally assign race, gender and characteristics, while editors generally assign writers. Most artists simply draw what they&#039;re told, taking liberties with things like framing and pacing, while ocassionally screwing things up thanks to a lack of research or an abundance of ignorance. (see Frusin below)

Most of the people you name here are strictly artists, with little influence over the characters and settings they&#039;re depicting -- especially those best known for their work for Marvel and/or DC -- though I did have a major problem with Frusin&#039;s take on the black soldiers in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://popcultureshock.com/reviews.php?id=4784&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;first issue of Loveless&lt;/a&gt;, making them look vaguely simian, a baffling artistic decision that was a large part of the reason for me not picking up the next issue or any thereafter.

Also, culturally speaking, there&#039;s a huge difference between South Americans, Spaniards, Mexicans, Chicanos and Latinos, and the majority of artists in comics seem to have sprung from the first two groups.

PS: I Love Sergio Aragones!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s probably wrong to make this distinction &#8212; Dick Hyacinth is probably wondering why he&#8217;s cringing right at this moment &#8212; but I feel like artists aren&#8217;t quite as crucial to the diversifying of comics as writers and editors are. Complementary, yes, but not directly influential.</p>
<p>Writers generally assign race, gender and characteristics, while editors generally assign writers. Most artists simply draw what they&#8217;re told, taking liberties with things like framing and pacing, while ocassionally screwing things up thanks to a lack of research or an abundance of ignorance. (see Frusin below)</p>
<p>Most of the people you name here are strictly artists, with little influence over the characters and settings they&#8217;re depicting &#8212; especially those best known for their work for Marvel and/or DC &#8212; though I did have a major problem with Frusin&#8217;s take on the black soldiers in the <a href="http://popcultureshock.com/reviews.php?id=4784" rel="nofollow">first issue of Loveless</a>, making them look vaguely simian, a baffling artistic decision that was a large part of the reason for me not picking up the next issue or any thereafter.</p>
<p>Also, culturally speaking, there&#8217;s a huge difference between South Americans, Spaniards, Mexicans, Chicanos and Latinos, and the majority of artists in comics seem to have sprung from the first two groups.</p>
<p>PS: I Love Sergio Aragones!</p>
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		<title>By: SKleefeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>SKleefeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Offhand, I know Silent Devil publishes/has published the work of Joiton Barciulli, Alek Montel and Veronica Gandini (all Argentinian). Eduardo Risso (100 Bullets) and Marcelo Frusin (Hellblazer, X-Men Unlimited) were also born in Argentina. Roger Cruz (various X-books, among others) was born in Brazil. Eduardo Barreto (Teen Titans, Atari Force, The Long Haul...) is from Uruguay. Humberto Ramos (various Spidey books) and Jose Ladronn (Inhumans, Hip Flask) are Mexican. I&#039;ve also seen one source that cited Jamie Hewlett (Tank Girl) as being born in Mexico before moving to England.

I also would cite Sergio Aragones but he was technically born in Spain; he didn&#039;t move to Mexico until he was only a year or two old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Offhand, I know Silent Devil publishes/has published the work of Joiton Barciulli, Alek Montel and Veronica Gandini (all Argentinian). Eduardo Risso (100 Bullets) and Marcelo Frusin (Hellblazer, X-Men Unlimited) were also born in Argentina. Roger Cruz (various X-books, among others) was born in Brazil. Eduardo Barreto (Teen Titans, Atari Force, The Long Haul&#8230;) is from Uruguay. Humberto Ramos (various Spidey books) and Jose Ladronn (Inhumans, Hip Flask) are Mexican. I&#8217;ve also seen one source that cited Jamie Hewlett (Tank Girl) as being born in Mexico before moving to England.</p>
<p>I also would cite Sergio Aragones but he was technically born in Spain; he didn&#8217;t move to Mexico until he was only a year or two old.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy LeCharles Gonzalez</title>
		<link>http://www.popcultureshock.com/que-pasa-blue-beetle-gets-props/41631/comment-page-1/#comment-75975</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy LeCharles Gonzalez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was kidding, actually, but this post begged for introducing the idea. Trying to bait someone with more time on their hands into taking it on.

Shhh....  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was kidding, actually, but this post begged for introducing the idea. Trying to bait someone with more time on their hands into taking it on.</p>
<p>Shhh&#8230;.  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Haehnle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Haehnle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh man, I thought you were kidding when you said you were gonna do Que Pasa. Lol! Good stuff though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man, I thought you were kidding when you said you were gonna do Que Pasa. Lol! Good stuff though!</p>
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