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	<title>Comments on: Milestone does not belong within the DCU</title>
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		<title>By: Kaorazen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaorazen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until I read some of these comments I had not had any truly negative thoughts about the Milestone characters being brought back and made a true part of the DC universe.  I  was excited when I  heard the news and as a lifelong comic book fan this news stirred more interest in me than most of the things that have going on in comic book storylines in the last few years.  I don&#039;t think I  am too  concerned about DC fuckin&#039; up the characters since this is kind of a high profile re-introduction.  I heard years ago that Static was going to be a part of the Teen Titans and after the success of the cartoon I  did not comrehend why he and the other Milestone characters could not be brought back into popular culture. Seeing the image of Icon going up against Superman and knowing this relaunch was going to  happen in the pages of JLA made me anticipate the  visit to the comic book store when I would  be able to pick up that issue.  I  do agree that the Milestone characters not existing within their own self contained universe might take away from what made those characters special in the first place, but that was then and this is now.  This  might be the best thing for Icon, Static, Holocaust, etc. I shall just wait and read and reserve judgement until I see how this all plays out.  DC has  been impressing  me lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until I read some of these comments I had not had any truly negative thoughts about the Milestone characters being brought back and made a true part of the DC universe.  I  was excited when I  heard the news and as a lifelong comic book fan this news stirred more interest in me than most of the things that have going on in comic book storylines in the last few years.  I don&#8217;t think I  am too  concerned about DC fuckin&#8217; up the characters since this is kind of a high profile re-introduction.  I heard years ago that Static was going to be a part of the Teen Titans and after the success of the cartoon I  did not comrehend why he and the other Milestone characters could not be brought back into popular culture. Seeing the image of Icon going up against Superman and knowing this relaunch was going to  happen in the pages of JLA made me anticipate the  visit to the comic book store when I would  be able to pick up that issue.  I  do agree that the Milestone characters not existing within their own self contained universe might take away from what made those characters special in the first place, but that was then and this is now.  This  might be the best thing for Icon, Static, Holocaust, etc. I shall just wait and read and reserve judgement until I see how this all plays out.  DC has  been impressing  me lately.</p>
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		<title>By: draco</title>
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		<dc:creator>draco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinion is that I am glad that they finally brought back the Milestone characters but I am against the idea of them being merged within the DC Universe. I would have prefered they stay a separate universe like how they once were. This will be like the Ultraverse fiasco that Marvel caused when they brought the characters. 
Just look at the success of Wildstorm under DC. One of the reason why it&#039;s still around is because they kept both universes separate. Also, given the fact that DC also brought the rights to Impact Comics again, does the main DC Universe need so many characters? Like I said, I have no problem with Milestone realigning itself with DC but I would prefer that they keep the two universes separate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion is that I am glad that they finally brought back the Milestone characters but I am against the idea of them being merged within the DC Universe. I would have prefered they stay a separate universe like how they once were. This will be like the Ultraverse fiasco that Marvel caused when they brought the characters.<br />
Just look at the success of Wildstorm under DC. One of the reason why it&#8217;s still around is because they kept both universes separate. Also, given the fact that DC also brought the rights to Impact Comics again, does the main DC Universe need so many characters? Like I said, I have no problem with Milestone realigning itself with DC but I would prefer that they keep the two universes separate</p>
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		<title>By: Onlinedrama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Onlinedrama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we all need to understand that DC is very loyal to there money makers ... Superman, Batman mainly. CM has failed due to a number of reasons such as editors, writers, &amp; artists being more fans of Supes over CM, also you have to keep in mind that CM doesn&#039;t have a great rogue villain gallery &amp; the success of any character is based on having believable villains that can match or out match the hero.
Now Milestone merging with DC, first off this is business &amp; with every movie studio out there looking for the next best untapped comic to turn into a movie is one motive. Due to McDuffies excellent work with the Milestone characters - ICON, Static, Hardware etc... plus his work on the animations Static Shock, JL, &amp; JL Unlimited are reasons why DC wants to merge these characters into there fold. 
You have to ask yourself why now after about 10-11 years since the last Miletsone original series run? Well with the box office success of Hancock, &amp; Marvel working on turning Luke Cage into a movie, &amp; Black Panther will appear in animation form on BET sometime next year you have to see the strategy behind DC motives. Sure they is a possibility that after the dust is settle some off these characters will be cast into the archives like so many other characters but isn&#039;t that what has been the case for the past few years now. With McDuffie onboard to work the transition of his characters in the DCU, I have no doubt its going to work... the main thing is that he doesn&#039;t have to sell these characters to us Milestone fans becasue we loved them since there first print, but this is his chance to capture the minds of the white comic book fans who didn&#039;t even knew Milestone existed until recent times.  I don&#039;t know whatelse to say on the subject, but i&#039;m glad McDuffie has the opportunity to bring the Milestone characters into the DCU spotlight. I just pray it works in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we all need to understand that DC is very loyal to there money makers &#8230; Superman, Batman mainly. CM has failed due to a number of reasons such as editors, writers, &amp; artists being more fans of Supes over CM, also you have to keep in mind that CM doesn&#8217;t have a great rogue villain gallery &amp; the success of any character is based on having believable villains that can match or out match the hero.<br />
Now Milestone merging with DC, first off this is business &amp; with every movie studio out there looking for the next best untapped comic to turn into a movie is one motive. Due to McDuffies excellent work with the Milestone characters &#8211; ICON, Static, Hardware etc&#8230; plus his work on the animations Static Shock, JL, &amp; JL Unlimited are reasons why DC wants to merge these characters into there fold.<br />
You have to ask yourself why now after about 10-11 years since the last Miletsone original series run? Well with the box office success of Hancock, &amp; Marvel working on turning Luke Cage into a movie, &amp; Black Panther will appear in animation form on BET sometime next year you have to see the strategy behind DC motives. Sure they is a possibility that after the dust is settle some off these characters will be cast into the archives like so many other characters but isn&#8217;t that what has been the case for the past few years now. With McDuffie onboard to work the transition of his characters in the DCU, I have no doubt its going to work&#8230; the main thing is that he doesn&#8217;t have to sell these characters to us Milestone fans becasue we loved them since there first print, but this is his chance to capture the minds of the white comic book fans who didn&#8217;t even knew Milestone existed until recent times.  I don&#8217;t know whatelse to say on the subject, but i&#8217;m glad McDuffie has the opportunity to bring the Milestone characters into the DCU spotlight. I just pray it works in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: BlackLION</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlackLION</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DC should leave Milestone characters alone. Part of the reason Milestone didn&#039;t last was was because they didn&#039;t follow the trends other comics did. If their merged into the DC universe it would just turn classic heroes into watered down versions of what they should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC should leave Milestone characters alone. Part of the reason Milestone didn&#8217;t last was was because they didn&#8217;t follow the trends other comics did. If their merged into the DC universe it would just turn classic heroes into watered down versions of what they should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Kevin Huxford

Rich clearly has no problem with DC publishing comics starring Milestone&#039;s characters.  His issue is whether or not McDuffie will retain ownership of the characters so he has final say in how they&#039;re depicted.  

The good news is that McDuffie declared that Milestone founders (himself and Derek Dingle) still owns the rights to characters like Static and Icon:

http://www.thevhive.com/forum/dwayne-mcduffie/threads/milestone-characters-to-return/17

The next step is McDuffie and Dingle being vigilant so that DC remembers that they own Milestone&#039;s characters and thus control their direction.  This may sound cynical until you recall ho Christopher Priest&#039;s creator-owned series Xero was mishandled by the previous DC regime.  Read more at Priest&#039;s blog by clicking on &quot;Comics&quot; and then the commentary &quot;Citizen Trane&quot;:

http://www.digital-priest.com/home-dpdc.htm

So, some caution is warranted about this new DCU/Milestone deal in light of the history of DC snubbing Black characters and creators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Kevin Huxford</p>
<p>Rich clearly has no problem with DC publishing comics starring Milestone&#8217;s characters.  His issue is whether or not McDuffie will retain ownership of the characters so he has final say in how they&#8217;re depicted.  </p>
<p>The good news is that McDuffie declared that Milestone founders (himself and Derek Dingle) still owns the rights to characters like Static and Icon:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thevhive.com/forum/dwayne-mcduffie/threads/milestone-characters-to-return/17" rel="nofollow">http://www.thevhive.com/forum/dwayne-mcduffie/threads/milestone-characters-to-return/17</a></p>
<p>The next step is McDuffie and Dingle being vigilant so that DC remembers that they own Milestone&#8217;s characters and thus control their direction.  This may sound cynical until you recall ho Christopher Priest&#8217;s creator-owned series Xero was mishandled by the previous DC regime.  Read more at Priest&#8217;s blog by clicking on &#8220;Comics&#8221; and then the commentary &#8220;Citizen Trane&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.digital-priest.com/home-dpdc.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.digital-priest.com/home-dpdc.htm</a></p>
<p>So, some caution is warranted about this new DCU/Milestone deal in light of the history of DC snubbing Black characters and creators.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, at this point all I&#039;m going to be doing is to repeat the same arguments I&#039;ve been making, so I&#039;m bowing out of this conversation, at least for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, at this point all I&#8217;m going to be doing is to repeat the same arguments I&#8217;ve been making, so I&#8217;m bowing out of this conversation, at least for now.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Huxford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Huxford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you&#039;re having this discussion with an open mind, though.

Poet said: &quot;Why not? We can’t sit and hold our breath thinking that the Milestone crew will get some sweetheart deal with another publisher.&quot;

And you said: &quot;Why DC though? It’s not like the old days, where you had to make your mark at one of the Big Two or else you’re nothing.&quot;

If DC is offering the best deal, why should they go elsewhere? Just because some people prefer they did?

DC and Marvel have a much larger bookstore presence and can more easily commit to putting out all of the trade paperbacks. DC and Marvel have the highest Previews visibility. DC and Marvel have likely the best discount rates offered to retailers.

I&#039;m guessing there&#039;s some way out of the deal at some point if either party is ticked off. DC Comics is going to be including these characters in some of their biggest titles. That&#039;s, essentially, free advertising for the trades. And there&#039;s nothing to say that they can&#039;t spin them back out into the Milestone Universe after establishing a greater fanbase for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re having this discussion with an open mind, though.</p>
<p>Poet said: &#8220;Why not? We can’t sit and hold our breath thinking that the Milestone crew will get some sweetheart deal with another publisher.&#8221;</p>
<p>And you said: &#8220;Why DC though? It’s not like the old days, where you had to make your mark at one of the Big Two or else you’re nothing.&#8221;</p>
<p>If DC is offering the best deal, why should they go elsewhere? Just because some people prefer they did?</p>
<p>DC and Marvel have a much larger bookstore presence and can more easily commit to putting out all of the trade paperbacks. DC and Marvel have the highest Previews visibility. DC and Marvel have likely the best discount rates offered to retailers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing there&#8217;s some way out of the deal at some point if either party is ticked off. DC Comics is going to be including these characters in some of their biggest titles. That&#8217;s, essentially, free advertising for the trades. And there&#8217;s nothing to say that they can&#8217;t spin them back out into the Milestone Universe after establishing a greater fanbase for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But if they disappear, then they would be in limbo. There would be no new stories with them. Look at it this way: Blue Beetle and the Question (and to a lesser extent, Captain Atom) are popular (although the first two have gone through significant changes), but how many Judomaster stories have there been lately? Sure, some characters get second chances at life, but many more don&#039;t, and no one&#039;s gonna care more about a given character than the person who created it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But if they disappear, then they would be in limbo. There would be no new stories with them. Look at it this way: Blue Beetle and the Question (and to a lesser extent, Captain Atom) are popular (although the first two have gone through significant changes), but how many Judomaster stories have there been lately? Sure, some characters get second chances at life, but many more don&#8217;t, and no one&#8217;s gonna care more about a given character than the person who created it.</p>
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		<title>By: urbanhorror</title>
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		<dc:creator>urbanhorror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With much respect, what happens when Dwayne leaves DC is the same thing that would happen if he left any company where his property lies, Milestone has been dormant for over 10 years, If  Image was an option, wouldn&#039;t  they have published with them years ago. (BTW, do you remember Tribe and the other black titles produced by Image most recently Ant) Its true, many Milestone characters will disappear for a host of reasons, but I am still convinced that having the characters in print is still better than having them in limbo I&#039;m lost here</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With much respect, what happens when Dwayne leaves DC is the same thing that would happen if he left any company where his property lies, Milestone has been dormant for over 10 years, If  Image was an option, wouldn&#8217;t  they have published with them years ago. (BTW, do you remember Tribe and the other black titles produced by Image most recently Ant) Its true, many Milestone characters will disappear for a host of reasons, but I am still convinced that having the characters in print is still better than having them in limbo I&#8217;m lost here</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich,

Thank you for putting into words that nagging feeling I&#039;ve had since this new DCU/Milestone deal was announced.

Yes, it&#039;s cool that some of my favorite heroes like Icon, Rocket and Static are back on the printed page.  However, this deal surprised me because on his forum McDuffie seemed a bit wary of letting Milestone characters appear in the DCU because of ownership issues.

So, I don&#039;t think you&#039;re alarmist for asking if this new deal could lead to Milestone characters being marginalized or creatively distorted in the long-term.  Your concern is even more understandable when you considered how Garth Ennis and Peter David took their creations (The Boys and Fallen Angels, respectively) to rival publishers because of serious issues they had with DC&#039;s practices.

The bottom line is that more and more comic creators are looking at venues besides Marvel and DC to publish their creations.  Such creators are encouraged by the success of books like Robert Kirkman&#039;s Invincible, whose longevity in a tough market has inspired Image to support new, cutting edge superhero fare (e.g., Dynamo 5) and revive older ones (e.g., Firebreather).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich,</p>
<p>Thank you for putting into words that nagging feeling I&#8217;ve had since this new DCU/Milestone deal was announced.</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s cool that some of my favorite heroes like Icon, Rocket and Static are back on the printed page.  However, this deal surprised me because on his forum McDuffie seemed a bit wary of letting Milestone characters appear in the DCU because of ownership issues.</p>
<p>So, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re alarmist for asking if this new deal could lead to Milestone characters being marginalized or creatively distorted in the long-term.  Your concern is even more understandable when you considered how Garth Ennis and Peter David took their creations (The Boys and Fallen Angels, respectively) to rival publishers because of serious issues they had with DC&#8217;s practices.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that more and more comic creators are looking at venues besides Marvel and DC to publish their creations.  Such creators are encouraged by the success of books like Robert Kirkman&#8217;s Invincible, whose longevity in a tough market has inspired Image to support new, cutting edge superhero fare (e.g., Dynamo 5) and revive older ones (e.g., Firebreather).</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich,

Thank you for putting into words that nagging feeling I&#039;ve had since this new DCU/Milestone deal was announced.

Yes, it&#039;s cool that some of my favorite heroes like Icon, Rocket and Static are back on the printed page.  However, this deal surprised me because on his forum McDuffie seemed a bit wary of letting Milestone characters appear in the DCU because of ownership issues.

So, I don&#039;t think you&#039;re alarmist for asking if this new deal could lead to Milestone characters being marginalized or creatively distorted in the long-term.  Your concern is even more understandable when you considered how Garth Ennis and Peter David took their creations (The Boys and Fallen Angels, respectively) to rival publishers because of serious issues they had with DC&#039;s practices.

The bottom line is that more and more comic creators are looking at venues besides Marvel and DC to publish their creations.  Such creators are encouraged by the success of books like Robert Kirkman&#039;s Invincible, whose longevity in a tough market has inspired Image to support new, cutting edge superhero fare (e.g., Dynamo 5) and revive older ones (e.g., Firebreather).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich,</p>
<p>Thank you for putting into words that nagging feeling I&#8217;ve had since this new DCU/Milestone deal was announced.</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s cool that some of my favorite heroes like Icon, Rocket and Static are back on the printed page.  However, this deal surprised me because on his forum McDuffie seemed a bit wary of letting Milestone characters appear in the DCU because of ownership issues.</p>
<p>So, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re alarmist for asking if this new deal could lead to Milestone characters being marginalized or creatively distorted in the long-term.  Your concern is even more understandable when you considered how Garth Ennis and Peter David took their creations (The Boys and Fallen Angels, respectively) to rival publishers because of serious issues they had with DC&#8217;s practices.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that more and more comic creators are looking at venues besides Marvel and DC to publish their creations.  Such creators are encouraged by the success of books like Robert Kirkman&#8217;s Invincible, whose longevity in a tough market has inspired Image to support new, cutting edge superhero fare (e.g., Dynamo 5) and revive older ones (e.g., Firebreather).</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d search for a third option.

Maybe the Milestone heroes will catch on. I certainly hope so. But again, what happens when Dwayne eventually leaves DC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d search for a third option.</p>
<p>Maybe the Milestone heroes will catch on. I certainly hope so. But again, what happens when Dwayne eventually leaves DC?</p>
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		<title>By: mathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>mathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich, I&#039;m guessing that the reason why Milestone wasn&#039;t brought in as a seperate universe is about the state of the industry.  

I think that everyone involved agrees that the characters are viable, but I don&#039;t think that anyone (most importantly DC) thinks that they could sustain their own line.  

Wildstorm wasn&#039;t brought in to the DCU proper because of several reasons.  The tone of that universe is different, most importantly.  And Jim Lee probably has more pull than Dwayne.  

But Wildstorm, as a universe, is floundering.  And given all of the fuss about DC&#039;s market share recently, it really doesn&#039;t make any sense to (re)launch an entirely new universe at the moment.  

Again, the Milestorm characters, for the most part, will fit better in the DCU than Wildstorm would have.  And there&#039;s a really chance that the characters will catch on and maybe Dakota will become a setting for a book in the DCU in the near future.  

I don&#039;t remember reading anything about Milestone getting their own book.  They&#039;re going to be showing up in other titles.  

It&#039;s the esssence of a compromise; fans get Milestone characters again, but we see them in &quot;guest-star&quot; roles.  Which begs the question; would you rather take what you can get or live with the characters as just a memory?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich, I&#8217;m guessing that the reason why Milestone wasn&#8217;t brought in as a seperate universe is about the state of the industry.  </p>
<p>I think that everyone involved agrees that the characters are viable, but I don&#8217;t think that anyone (most importantly DC) thinks that they could sustain their own line.  </p>
<p>Wildstorm wasn&#8217;t brought in to the DCU proper because of several reasons.  The tone of that universe is different, most importantly.  And Jim Lee probably has more pull than Dwayne.  </p>
<p>But Wildstorm, as a universe, is floundering.  And given all of the fuss about DC&#8217;s market share recently, it really doesn&#8217;t make any sense to (re)launch an entirely new universe at the moment.  </p>
<p>Again, the Milestorm characters, for the most part, will fit better in the DCU than Wildstorm would have.  And there&#8217;s a really chance that the characters will catch on and maybe Dakota will become a setting for a book in the DCU in the near future.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember reading anything about Milestone getting their own book.  They&#8217;re going to be showing up in other titles.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the esssence of a compromise; fans get Milestone characters again, but we see them in &#8220;guest-star&#8221; roles.  Which begs the question; would you rather take what you can get or live with the characters as just a memory?</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mathan, if that&#039;s true, then that would indeed explain a lot, but why would it necessitate being integrated into the DCU? When Jim Lee and Wildstorm came to DC, the Wildstorm Universe was kept separate - and even though we&#039;re seeing crossovers, it has still maintained its status as a separate universe. I wish Milestone could&#039;ve done the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mathan, if that&#8217;s true, then that would indeed explain a lot, but why would it necessitate being integrated into the DCU? When Jim Lee and Wildstorm came to DC, the Wildstorm Universe was kept separate &#8211; and even though we&#8217;re seeing crossovers, it has still maintained its status as a separate universe. I wish Milestone could&#8217;ve done the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Poet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You misunderstood my point, Rich. There is a difference between multicultural representation in comics and a multicultural &quot;movement&quot; to have that representation. Multicultural representation in comics is very much alive, that is why you have the blog. Not to fight to have it, but to promote and honor its existence, and in some ways critique how it&#039;s handled. I am sure the intentions of reintroducing the Milestone characters now are very different than the intention to launch Milestone Media in the 90s....no? 

As far as the Milestone deal, everyone brought up some great points. Overall, it has a lot to do with the deal, so we will see. I agree with Mathan. Milestone and DC are probably in bed together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You misunderstood my point, Rich. There is a difference between multicultural representation in comics and a multicultural &#8220;movement&#8221; to have that representation. Multicultural representation in comics is very much alive, that is why you have the blog. Not to fight to have it, but to promote and honor its existence, and in some ways critique how it&#8217;s handled. I am sure the intentions of reintroducing the Milestone characters now are very different than the intention to launch Milestone Media in the 90s&#8230;.no? </p>
<p>As far as the Milestone deal, everyone brought up some great points. Overall, it has a lot to do with the deal, so we will see. I agree with Mathan. Milestone and DC are probably in bed together.</p>
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		<title>By: Cornelius Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cornelius Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The concern on my part is the DC &quot;Big Three&quot;.  There&#039;s an unwritten rule that no character can be more...whatever...than them.  Which means that everyone falls second.  In the Milestone world, there was room for Icon to have a certain amount of authority, for those characters to be...icons.  But yes, it&#039;s very easy to get lost in the DC shuffle and eventually get killed off.  I think there&#039;s a fan fear of that happening and if we could get some kind of insight into the deal to know if we don&#039;t have to worry about this extending to all the Milestone characters, then maybe some of us fearful optimists could be a bit more...optimistic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The concern on my part is the DC &#8220;Big Three&#8221;.  There&#8217;s an unwritten rule that no character can be more&#8230;whatever&#8230;than them.  Which means that everyone falls second.  In the Milestone world, there was room for Icon to have a certain amount of authority, for those characters to be&#8230;icons.  But yes, it&#8217;s very easy to get lost in the DC shuffle and eventually get killed off.  I think there&#8217;s a fan fear of that happening and if we could get some kind of insight into the deal to know if we don&#8217;t have to worry about this extending to all the Milestone characters, then maybe some of us fearful optimists could be a bit more&#8230;optimistic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Haehnle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Haehnle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mathan: Thanks for that bit -- like I said in my original comment, I figured there were some legal entanglements at play that tied Milestone to DC. If not, I&#039;m pretty sure Dwayne would&#039;ve made some moves sooner.

Anyway, lots of questions. Looking forward to an interview!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mathan: Thanks for that bit &#8212; like I said in my original comment, I figured there were some legal entanglements at play that tied Milestone to DC. If not, I&#8217;m pretty sure Dwayne would&#8217;ve made some moves sooner.</p>
<p>Anyway, lots of questions. Looking forward to an interview!</p>
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		<title>By: mathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>mathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I understood of the original Milestone deal was that one company had the trademark and the other had the copyright, I forget which had which.  But if that was the case it might go a ways to explaining why Milestone went with DC again, because they didn&#039;t really have a choice in the matter.  

And from what I&#039;ve read about the deal, I understood it to be a temporary thing, more akin to DC leasing the characters than owning them outright.  That doesn&#039;t mean that the characters are going to be handled properly, but it might mean that it&#039;s a temporary situation.  

And in regards to the &quot;finale&quot;, isn&#039;t it just a concluding chapter to the original saga?  Sort of like a &quot;what if.&quot;  

The only thing that I really find troubling about the Milestone news is that it&#039;s probably going to have an effect on back issues, and I was really hoping to get a complete Milestone collection at somepoint, without having to spend a ton of cash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I understood of the original Milestone deal was that one company had the trademark and the other had the copyright, I forget which had which.  But if that was the case it might go a ways to explaining why Milestone went with DC again, because they didn&#8217;t really have a choice in the matter.  </p>
<p>And from what I&#8217;ve read about the deal, I understood it to be a temporary thing, more akin to DC leasing the characters than owning them outright.  That doesn&#8217;t mean that the characters are going to be handled properly, but it might mean that it&#8217;s a temporary situation.  </p>
<p>And in regards to the &#8220;finale&#8221;, isn&#8217;t it just a concluding chapter to the original saga?  Sort of like a &#8220;what if.&#8221;  </p>
<p>The only thing that I really find troubling about the Milestone news is that it&#8217;s probably going to have an effect on back issues, and I was really hoping to get a complete Milestone collection at somepoint, without having to spend a ton of cash.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t know the specifics of his deal, this is true, and I don&#039;t want to speculate too closely about it. But I believe you&#039;re underestimating the other possibilities open to him now, possibilities that were not as viable back in 1993 as they are now. And frankly, if I didn&#039;t believe multicultural comics were still alive, I wouldn&#039;t have this blog.

I think we&#039;re gonna have to agree to disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t know the specifics of his deal, this is true, and I don&#8217;t want to speculate too closely about it. But I believe you&#8217;re underestimating the other possibilities open to him now, possibilities that were not as viable back in 1993 as they are now. And frankly, if I didn&#8217;t believe multicultural comics were still alive, I wouldn&#8217;t have this blog.</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re gonna have to agree to disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Poet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure there are other publishers out there, but without question the Big two hold a lot of weight in the industry. With other publishers (including Marvel and DC) tightening their belts these days, DC is less of a risk reintroducing Milestone characters rather than going totally new at another company. 

Also, you have to factor in a few things: Is McDuffie under an exclusive contract with DC? Will pitching a proposal to another publisher break that agreement? What was pitched to McDuffie regarding utilizing Milestone characters? Or what did McDuffie pitch to DC? And what are the short-long term goals regarding the Milestone Universe? 

I don’t think there is an attraction like the early-mid 90s to reach a multicultural market anymore. Multicultural characters ARE playing more of major roles in comics. You have tons of indies putting out better work and quality characters, that this whole black/multicultural comics movement is dead in the wind. I know.....I attended the funeral. 

If McDuffie can make a buck reintroducing the characters and rekindled the romance with the old fanbase, then fine. If there is a positive buzz and he can get a milestone miniseries or ongoing, then fine. It’s a safer bet with DC. Also, self publishing is a nightmare. Does McDuffie and co. want that headache again?

I think the whole thing was strictly a business decision that has been on the table for a while until the right opportunity opened up. One thing is for certain, the timing couldn’t be better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure there are other publishers out there, but without question the Big two hold a lot of weight in the industry. With other publishers (including Marvel and DC) tightening their belts these days, DC is less of a risk reintroducing Milestone characters rather than going totally new at another company. </p>
<p>Also, you have to factor in a few things: Is McDuffie under an exclusive contract with DC? Will pitching a proposal to another publisher break that agreement? What was pitched to McDuffie regarding utilizing Milestone characters? Or what did McDuffie pitch to DC? And what are the short-long term goals regarding the Milestone Universe? </p>
<p>I don’t think there is an attraction like the early-mid 90s to reach a multicultural market anymore. Multicultural characters ARE playing more of major roles in comics. You have tons of indies putting out better work and quality characters, that this whole black/multicultural comics movement is dead in the wind. I know&#8230;..I attended the funeral. </p>
<p>If McDuffie can make a buck reintroducing the characters and rekindled the romance with the old fanbase, then fine. If there is a positive buzz and he can get a milestone miniseries or ongoing, then fine. It’s a safer bet with DC. Also, self publishing is a nightmare. Does McDuffie and co. want that headache again?</p>
<p>I think the whole thing was strictly a business decision that has been on the table for a while until the right opportunity opened up. One thing is for certain, the timing couldn’t be better.</p>
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