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	<title>Comments on: Brendan &amp; Adan&#8217;s Picks, Pans &amp; Scans &#8211; August 2, 2007</title>
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		<title>By: C. Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 05:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the point of the book was to prove that Ron was an ass, and that Hermione obviously had self esteem issues which made her believe that she deserved nothing better than a classic underachieving, self centered, weak, idiot. J.K. Rowling killed the wrong Weasley. I&#039;d also like to add that in no way did Mrs. Rowling ever prove to her readers why Ginny Weasley was Harry&#039;s soulmate. I kept on trying to give her time to show that Ginny was the one for Harry, but in the end all reasons were shown off panel, and Ginny proved to be nothing more than a red haired tool for Harry to impregnate in the end. Reading the book I kept thinking that something important would happen with Ginny, but at the end where the author had the chance to at least make it seem like Ginny was even somewhat important to the overall plot of the book, Harry blows off Ginny to say a few things to Neville and Luna, and eventually go see two other characters who ultimately mean more to Harry and the possibly the reader than Ginny ever will. Neville and Luna rocked in this book though so I&#039;m willing to forgive J.K. Rowling somewhat. All in all this book was, ok. Too many things were promised that never actually happened. I almost feel like what Mrs. Rowling really needed was another book to fit in everything she really wanted to write, just to make the book make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point of the book was to prove that Ron was an ass, and that Hermione obviously had self esteem issues which made her believe that she deserved nothing better than a classic underachieving, self centered, weak, idiot. J.K. Rowling killed the wrong Weasley. I&#8217;d also like to add that in no way did Mrs. Rowling ever prove to her readers why Ginny Weasley was Harry&#8217;s soulmate. I kept on trying to give her time to show that Ginny was the one for Harry, but in the end all reasons were shown off panel, and Ginny proved to be nothing more than a red haired tool for Harry to impregnate in the end. Reading the book I kept thinking that something important would happen with Ginny, but at the end where the author had the chance to at least make it seem like Ginny was even somewhat important to the overall plot of the book, Harry blows off Ginny to say a few things to Neville and Luna, and eventually go see two other characters who ultimately mean more to Harry and the possibly the reader than Ginny ever will. Neville and Luna rocked in this book though so I&#8217;m willing to forgive J.K. Rowling somewhat. All in all this book was, ok. Too many things were promised that never actually happened. I almost feel like what Mrs. Rowling really needed was another book to fit in everything she really wanted to write, just to make the book make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: BrendanMcGuirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrendanMcGuirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 03:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adan points out the key aspect of Mad Eye- he&#039;s important enough as a presence. Even the idea of Mad-Eye is important enough to give Harry a goal. The idea that he could be killed despite all his caution is part of what makes it such a frightening loss, even without being seen first hand.
About the Cruciatis Curse, Harry was as nice as he could be. His inclination to avoid violence was demonstrated in the escape, with his use of Expeliarmus acting as a dead giveaway. It wasn&#039;t a first option. 
The &quot;Kill your darlings&quot; adage is hardly a law. It can be hugely effective, but that doesn&#039;t mean every story needs to be so wholly tragic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adan points out the key aspect of Mad Eye- he&#8217;s important enough as a presence. Even the idea of Mad-Eye is important enough to give Harry a goal. The idea that he could be killed despite all his caution is part of what makes it such a frightening loss, even without being seen first hand.<br />
About the Cruciatis Curse, Harry was as nice as he could be. His inclination to avoid violence was demonstrated in the escape, with his use of Expeliarmus acting as a dead giveaway. It wasn&#8217;t a first option.<br />
The &#8220;Kill your darlings&#8221; adage is hardly a law. It can be hugely effective, but that doesn&#8217;t mean every story needs to be so wholly tragic.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Kandel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Kandel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.  Good point.  Harry was pretty liberal with them in the prior book as well versus Snape.  If you think about it, he probably could have had Lucius Malfoy jailed in &quot;Chamber of Secrets&quot; as he was halfway through an &quot;Avada Kadavra&quot; after Harry freed Dobby, had anyone actually upheld that &quot;Unforgivable&quot; thing.  I guess its just an old Wizard&#039;s expression.  Still, if somebody laid one of those babies on you, I doubt you&#039;d be inclined to let it go- so maybe its referring to the general mood of the recipient, be he ghost, lunatic or just addled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.  Good point.  Harry was pretty liberal with them in the prior book as well versus Snape.  If you think about it, he probably could have had Lucius Malfoy jailed in &#8220;Chamber of Secrets&#8221; as he was halfway through an &#8220;Avada Kadavra&#8221; after Harry freed Dobby, had anyone actually upheld that &#8220;Unforgivable&#8221; thing.  I guess its just an old Wizard&#8217;s expression.  Still, if somebody laid one of those babies on you, I doubt you&#8217;d be inclined to let it go- so maybe its referring to the general mood of the recipient, be he ghost, lunatic or just addled.</p>
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		<title>By: Adan Jimenez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adan Jimenez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did say Tonks and Lupin&#039;s off-panel deaths were actually quite effective: &quot;They were warriors in the middle of a battle, and sometimes an Aveda Kedavra spell just hits you when no one is looking.&quot;

I could have done without the side-by-side bodies, as the rest of this text was already full of how important love is, but it didn&#039;t hurt me, either.

I complain about Mad Eye&#039;s off-panel death because for four books the audience was told how great an Auror he is. But we never get to actually see it. The fourth book, which contains the most Mad Eye, doesn&#039;t actually contain all that much Mad Eye as it&#039;s actually Barty Crouch Jr. pretending to be Mad Eye. The fifth, sixth, and seventh books contain only a smidgeon of Mad Eye, and he never actually fights, I don&#039;t think. He&#039;s a master tactician, to be sure,  but does he ever actually wield a wand? Does he ever catch practicioners of the Dark Arts? We were only ever told Mad Eye was badass; we never got to actually see it.

And something else I forgot to complain about: since when have the Unforgivable Curses been Not-So-Unforgivable? Harry et al. use some of them when breaking into Gringotts (which should have been a much more awesome heist sequence; oh well) and both Harry and McGonagall use some on one of those Carrow siblings. Have they been renamed Only-Slightly-Awful Curses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did say Tonks and Lupin&#8217;s off-panel deaths were actually quite effective: &#8220;They were warriors in the middle of a battle, and sometimes an Aveda Kedavra spell just hits you when no one is looking.&#8221;</p>
<p>I could have done without the side-by-side bodies, as the rest of this text was already full of how important love is, but it didn&#8217;t hurt me, either.</p>
<p>I complain about Mad Eye&#8217;s off-panel death because for four books the audience was told how great an Auror he is. But we never get to actually see it. The fourth book, which contains the most Mad Eye, doesn&#8217;t actually contain all that much Mad Eye as it&#8217;s actually Barty Crouch Jr. pretending to be Mad Eye. The fifth, sixth, and seventh books contain only a smidgeon of Mad Eye, and he never actually fights, I don&#8217;t think. He&#8217;s a master tactician, to be sure,  but does he ever actually wield a wand? Does he ever catch practicioners of the Dark Arts? We were only ever told Mad Eye was badass; we never got to actually see it.</p>
<p>And something else I forgot to complain about: since when have the Unforgivable Curses been Not-So-Unforgivable? Harry et al. use some of them when breaking into Gringotts (which should have been a much more awesome heist sequence; oh well) and both Harry and McGonagall use some on one of those Carrow siblings. Have they been renamed Only-Slightly-Awful Curses?</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Kandel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Kandel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point taken Adan, but I must say, as you pointed out- beloved to the author is not necessarily beloved to readers- I was shocked as any at both Tonks and Lupin dying (I did sort of expect Lupin, being the Larry Talbotesque character he was), but there was something touching in the imagery of their bodies laid side by side- did it matter what form the killing stroke came when the simplicity of the image gives you everything important about them, their lives and their deaths?

Same with Mad-Eye- I felt that things going off-panel as it were were fashioned out of a chaotic struggle (and even moreso with the Hogwart&#039;s all-out battlefield) where our real POV&#039;s, Harry, Ron, Hermione, just don&#039;t know what&#039;s going on and are scrambling for survival, only to sit and wait out the death watch to find out who is safe and who isn&#039;t- to me Rowling utilized an effective tool in the dread of loss, rather than showing us the loss in real-time, amid a conflict that has become so widespread that casualties.  And hey, we see plenty of that in the two or three prior books if you remember- Cedric, Sirius, Dumbledore- so she used a different tactic, and one that worked for me personally.  But dog my cats!  You never know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point taken Adan, but I must say, as you pointed out- beloved to the author is not necessarily beloved to readers- I was shocked as any at both Tonks and Lupin dying (I did sort of expect Lupin, being the Larry Talbotesque character he was), but there was something touching in the imagery of their bodies laid side by side- did it matter what form the killing stroke came when the simplicity of the image gives you everything important about them, their lives and their deaths?</p>
<p>Same with Mad-Eye- I felt that things going off-panel as it were were fashioned out of a chaotic struggle (and even moreso with the Hogwart&#8217;s all-out battlefield) where our real POV&#8217;s, Harry, Ron, Hermione, just don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s going on and are scrambling for survival, only to sit and wait out the death watch to find out who is safe and who isn&#8217;t- to me Rowling utilized an effective tool in the dread of loss, rather than showing us the loss in real-time, amid a conflict that has become so widespread that casualties.  And hey, we see plenty of that in the two or three prior books if you remember- Cedric, Sirius, Dumbledore- so she used a different tactic, and one that worked for me personally.  But dog my cats!  You never know.</p>
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		<title>By: Adan Jimenez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adan Jimenez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, here&#039;s the thing about deaths in fiction: somebody far smarter than me once said that an author should only kill the characters she loves, never the ones she hates, and only sometimes the ones she&#039;s indifferent towards. I&#039;m not convinced that Rowling killed off any characters she loved, and if Marc&#039;s comment is accurate, then she explictly avoided killing off characters she loved. As I have said ad nauseum already, this has the effect of cheapening death (although there is something to be said for the fact that the characters an author loves are not necessarily the characters the audience loves).

Tangentially related, let me say that I am also somewhat ill at ease speaking about an author at all: I am from the school of thought which says the author is dead and is therefore unimportant in the critiquing of the text he produced (Roland Barthes originated the theory). Rowling and her ghost should have no bearing on my analysis of the work in question (especially since I know very little about her), but in this day and age, it seems almost impossible not to equate &quot;text&quot; with &quot;author&#039;s work.&quot; So, anytime I say &quot;Rowling&quot; up there, pretend I said &quot;Flibberdigibbit&quot; instead. It should make for a more interesting read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here&#8217;s the thing about deaths in fiction: somebody far smarter than me once said that an author should only kill the characters she loves, never the ones she hates, and only sometimes the ones she&#8217;s indifferent towards. I&#8217;m not convinced that Rowling killed off any characters she loved, and if Marc&#8217;s comment is accurate, then she explictly avoided killing off characters she loved. As I have said ad nauseum already, this has the effect of cheapening death (although there is something to be said for the fact that the characters an author loves are not necessarily the characters the audience loves).</p>
<p>Tangentially related, let me say that I am also somewhat ill at ease speaking about an author at all: I am from the school of thought which says the author is dead and is therefore unimportant in the critiquing of the text he produced (Roland Barthes originated the theory). Rowling and her ghost should have no bearing on my analysis of the work in question (especially since I know very little about her), but in this day and age, it seems almost impossible not to equate &#8220;text&#8221; with &#8220;author&#8217;s work.&#8221; So, anytime I say &#8220;Rowling&#8221; up there, pretend I said &#8220;Flibberdigibbit&#8221; instead. It should make for a more interesting read.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Kandel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Kandel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 14:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating debate- Two points (ok, four) you guys might be interested in:

1- JK Rowling originally was going to send Mr. Weasley down for the count, but in the end, couldn&#039;t bring herself to do it, as he&#039;s the only true, decent father figure of the series entire.  

I liked her rationale, when considering the many and varied flaws of Albus Dumbledore, schemer extraordinaire (kinda up there with Alan&#039;s Moore/Davis&#039; Maerlyn though on a smaller scale to be sure) though said flaws might have begun to be uncovered starting with book 5 or 6 rather than a voluminous &quot;so here&#039;s what happened&quot; chapter which blunts the book&#039;s climax with a helluva lot of exposition.

2.  Speaking of formulas for an Epic- I notice nobody pointed out that The Lupins&#039; deaths leave another orphan, and another stepfather, or that the Ginny/Harry relationship is basically Harry&#039;s parents all over again (if for nothing else other than hair color)- so in a way the &quot;Nineteen Years Later&quot; is a way of showing the lives of the next generation uninterrupted by horrors- Harry&#039;s children and his Godson, a mirror of Harry&#039;s infancy are able to grow up without the continued shadow of death and danger hanging over them- a chance to do things over again with no Voldemort lurking in the periphery- an earned happy ending.

As for Harry&#039;s ressurection, Brendan nailed it on the head that Harry is the personification of the Deathly Hallow&#039;s tale- he accepts death, but goes one further than the brother who hides from it, deceives it and therefore survives unlike his selfish, less forward thinking brothers- Harry unselfishly confronts death and is able to come away walking tall.  As for the &quot;miracle&quot; of his survival, that&#039;s the one constant throughout the books- Voldemort&#039;s inability to kill him and his shortsightedness in understanding why.

And as for Snape not being an agent of Love, well, Lily was the turning point for him, the crux of his choices and her death to him was unacceptable- that it&#039;s not a selfless love, well, that just rounded the character out for me better than some kindly Uncle who would love Harry unreservedly- he doesn&#039;t have to like Harry to love Lily and honor her memory.  I do believe he should have been able to put up just a bit more fight though, given his formidability in books prior, but what the hell- its not his story in the end- the books have never been &quot;Severus Snape and the...&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating debate- Two points (ok, four) you guys might be interested in:</p>
<p>1- JK Rowling originally was going to send Mr. Weasley down for the count, but in the end, couldn&#8217;t bring herself to do it, as he&#8217;s the only true, decent father figure of the series entire.  </p>
<p>I liked her rationale, when considering the many and varied flaws of Albus Dumbledore, schemer extraordinaire (kinda up there with Alan&#8217;s Moore/Davis&#8217; Maerlyn though on a smaller scale to be sure) though said flaws might have begun to be uncovered starting with book 5 or 6 rather than a voluminous &#8220;so here&#8217;s what happened&#8221; chapter which blunts the book&#8217;s climax with a helluva lot of exposition.</p>
<p>2.  Speaking of formulas for an Epic- I notice nobody pointed out that The Lupins&#8217; deaths leave another orphan, and another stepfather, or that the Ginny/Harry relationship is basically Harry&#8217;s parents all over again (if for nothing else other than hair color)- so in a way the &#8220;Nineteen Years Later&#8221; is a way of showing the lives of the next generation uninterrupted by horrors- Harry&#8217;s children and his Godson, a mirror of Harry&#8217;s infancy are able to grow up without the continued shadow of death and danger hanging over them- a chance to do things over again with no Voldemort lurking in the periphery- an earned happy ending.</p>
<p>As for Harry&#8217;s ressurection, Brendan nailed it on the head that Harry is the personification of the Deathly Hallow&#8217;s tale- he accepts death, but goes one further than the brother who hides from it, deceives it and therefore survives unlike his selfish, less forward thinking brothers- Harry unselfishly confronts death and is able to come away walking tall.  As for the &#8220;miracle&#8221; of his survival, that&#8217;s the one constant throughout the books- Voldemort&#8217;s inability to kill him and his shortsightedness in understanding why.</p>
<p>And as for Snape not being an agent of Love, well, Lily was the turning point for him, the crux of his choices and her death to him was unacceptable- that it&#8217;s not a selfless love, well, that just rounded the character out for me better than some kindly Uncle who would love Harry unreservedly- he doesn&#8217;t have to like Harry to love Lily and honor her memory.  I do believe he should have been able to put up just a bit more fight though, given his formidability in books prior, but what the hell- its not his story in the end- the books have never been &#8220;Severus Snape and the&#8230;&#8221;.</p>
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